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		| Gaditus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Amun Re - 3 Player League Season Eight Draw |   |  
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				| 3-Season 8 Div 01 #01	Knave	domster	grizzlyman 3-Season 8 Div 01 #02	Knave	Abaddon	powermorph
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #03	Knave	domster	Sacarino
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #04	Knave	grizzlyman	Abaddon
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #05	Knave	powermorph	Sacarino
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #06	domster	grizzlyman	powermorph
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #07	domster	Abaddon	powermorph
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #08	domster	Abaddon	Sacarino
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #09	grizzlyman	Abaddon	Sacarino
 3-Season 8 Div 01 #10	grizzlyman	powermorph	Sacarino
 
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #01	gische	NoMoreCheese	Gaditus
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #02	gische	DariusvanDuyn	HighwayStar
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #03	gische	NoMoreCheese	yoseph
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #04	gische	Gaditus	DariusvanDuyn
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #05	gische	HighwayStar	yoseph
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #06	NoMoreCheese	Gaditus	HighwayStar
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #07	NoMoreCheese	DariusvanDuyn	HighwayStar
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #08	NoMoreCheese	DariusvanDuyn	yoseph
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #09	Gaditus	DariusvanDuyn	yoseph
 3-Season 8 Div 02 #10	Gaditus	HighwayStar	yoseph
 
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #01	fadiarnaout	rseulow	WillyC3
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #02	fadiarnaout	pkwolf54	NAB
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #03	fadiarnaout	rseulow	Pompkin
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #04	fadiarnaout	WillyC3	pkwolf54
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #05	fadiarnaout	NAB	Pompkin
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #06	rseulow	WillyC3	NAB
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #07	rseulow	pkwolf54	NAB
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #08	rseulow	pkwolf54	Pompkin
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #09	WillyC3	pkwolf54	Pompkin
 3-Season 8 Div 03 #10	WillyC3	NAB	Pompkin
 
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #01	worcesterarlo	bennykdogg	swok
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #02	worcesterarlo	t_o_m9	greyshoe
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #03	worcesterarlo	bennykdogg	bearsfan
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #04	worcesterarlo	swok	t_o_m9
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #05	worcesterarlo	greyshoe	bearsfan
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #06	bennykdogg	swok	greyshoe
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #07	bennykdogg	t_o_m9	greyshoe
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #08	bennykdogg	t_o_m9	bearsfan
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #09	swok	t_o_m9	bearsfan
 3-Season 8 Div 04 #10	swok	greyshoe	bearsfan
 
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #01	Ezebig	freduk	Beast
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #02	Ezebig	toutoune	Greven
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #03	Ezebig	freduk	mongo
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #04	Ezebig	Beast	toutoune
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #05	Ezebig	Greven	mongo
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #06	freduk	Beast	Greven
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #07	freduk	toutoune	Greven
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #08	freduk	toutoune	mongo
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #09	Beast	toutoune	mongo
 3-Season 8 Div 05 #10	Beast	Greven	mongo
 
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #01	Ace	kekeweb	andyd
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #02	Ace	JM	daveszum
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #03	Ace	kekeweb	thiery'en'sarjant
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #04	Ace	andyd	JM
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #05	Ace	daveszum	thiery'en'sarjant
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #06	kekeweb	andyd	daveszum
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #07	kekeweb	JM	daveszum
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #08	kekeweb	JM	thiery'en'sarjant
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #09	andyd	JM	thiery'en'sarjant
 3-Season 8 Div 06 #10	andyd	daveszum	thiery'en'sarjant
 
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #01	yahkeh	Alexfrog	kxw
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #02	yahkeh	Payton3434	Tzar-T
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #03	yahkeh	Alexfrog	wtf
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #04	yahkeh	kxw	Payton3434
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #05	yahkeh	Tzar-T	wtf
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #06	Alexfrog	kxw	Tzar-T
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #07	Alexfrog	Payton3434	Tzar-T
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #08	Alexfrog	Payton3434	wtf
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #09	kxw	Payton3434	wtf
 3-Season 8 Div 07 #10	kxw	Tzar-T	wtf
 
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #01	Laurion	aehhorses	b764
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #02	Laurion	Haimke	Sgath
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #03	Laurion	aehhorses	smlait
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #04	Laurion	b764	Haimke
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #05	Laurion	Sgath	smlait
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #06	aehhorses	b764	Sgath
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #07	aehhorses	Haimke	Sgath
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #08	aehhorses	Haimke	smlait
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #09	b764	Haimke	smlait
 3-Season 8 Div 08 #10	b764	Sgath	smlait
 
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #01	tphon	dawnuk	wildfire2099
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #02	tphon	jglazier	Dobinator
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #03	tphon	dawnuk	Maccheek
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #04	tphon	wildfire2099	jglazier
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #05	tphon	Dobinator	Maccheek
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #06	dawnuk	wildfire2099	Dobinator
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #07	dawnuk	jglazier	Dobinator
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #08	dawnuk	jglazier	Maccheek
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #09	wildfire2099	jglazier	Maccheek
 3-Season 8 Div 09 #10	wildfire2099	Dobinator	Maccheek
 
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #01	Richard	SaulPum	rico44
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #02	Richard	striking_cobra	Aboulfouf
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #03	Richard	SaulPum	mooka
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #04	Richard	rico44	striking_cobra
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #05	Richard	Aboulfouf	mooka
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #06	SaulPum	rico44	Aboulfouf
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #07	SaulPum	striking_cobra	Aboulfouf
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #08	SaulPum	striking_cobra	mooka
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #09	rico44	striking_cobra	mooka
 3-Season 8 Div 10 #10	rico44	Aboulfouf	mooka
 
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #01	moishetreats	jmucchiello	ben_hodges
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #02	moishetreats	JonWaggett	Carmilla
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #03	moishetreats	jmucchiello	StanislavTikal
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #04	moishetreats	ben_hodges	JonWaggett
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #05	moishetreats	Carmilla	StanislavTikal
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #06	jmucchiello	ben_hodges	Carmilla
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #07	jmucchiello	JonWaggett	Carmilla
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #08	jmucchiello	JonWaggett	StanislavTikal
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #09	ben_hodges	JonWaggett	StanislavTikal
 3-Season 8 Div 11 #10	ben_hodges	Carmilla	StanislavTikal
 
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #01	sid88voodoo	AdriaanPieters	ats2630
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #02	sid88voodoo	asiefil	Nemesis
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #03	sid88voodoo	AdriaanPieters	BryJones
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #04	sid88voodoo	ats2630	asiefil
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #05	sid88voodoo	Nemesis	BryJones
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #06	AdriaanPieters	ats2630	Nemesis
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #07	AdriaanPieters	asiefil	Nemesis
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #08	AdriaanPieters	asiefil	BryJones
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #09	ats2630	asiefil	BryJones
 3-Season 8 Div 12 #10	ats2630	Nemesis	BryJones
 
 
 Anyone can create the game - use the exact name (eg 3-Season 8 Div 11 #03 - note please include the 0 as it means the games appear in order in the current games list) and put the players names in the comments section. (Opening two tabs and using cut/paste makes it easy to create games.) The password for all games is tournament.
 
 All players have 5 games.
 
 There are still games to finish from season seven.  The points from those games will be carried over to this season, but (clearly) the divisions for season eight will not change as the draw has been made.
 
 I intend to make the draw for season nine on the 8th October, so please try to make sure games are finished before then.  As it is now easy to sit out a season, players who miss a long period on vacation and so slow down play may be suspended from future seasons.
 
 To speed things up, please create the games which are not there when you come to join.  Please also look out for the draw for future seasons
 
 8 October
 22 November
 8 January
 22 February etc
 
 As an incentive to quick play and to give those who finish early something to compete in while they wait for the next season the first nine players to finish two games will be eligible for the 'season eight cup'. If two players reach two games finished at the same time it will be whoever finished their first game earlier. If still not broken it will be based on whoever finished lower in season seven.
 
 The 'cup' will consist of three one game semi finals with the three winners (ties broken after pyramids and stones, by whoever has the province nearer the start of the alphabet after turn 6) going into a one game final.
 
 The semi final draws will be random, but with the proviso that players from different divisions will be kept apart as far as possible.
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		| Gaditus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:14 am    Post subject: |   |  
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		| rico44 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:51 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Can't believe I missed this, twice! Fortunately I noticed before I got a personal bump, will try and pay more attention in future!  |  | 
	
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		| Gaditus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I should get round to individual chase ups tomorrow, but in the meantime ... 
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				|  Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| As Tzar-T hadn't joined his games by a week after the start rseulow has joined to make sure they don't fall too far behind. |  | 
	
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		| Tzar-T 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Hey Gaditus! 
 I think it was rather unnecessary to keep me out of this season. I had to leave for work and didn't know that the new draw was ready. Sometimes I have work in places that doesn't have internett access. It's not my fault. I don't know if you have a job, but I have to do my job first and then play Amun-Re.
 
 So, I think this was rather harsh and I hope we can start division 07 again with me in it. If not, I have to say that this is a really unfair treatment from your side.
 
 Tzar_T
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		| Alexfrog 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:22 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Tzar_T, please think about what youre saying here.  There are about 60 people in this Amun Re league.  Whoever is the slowest player dictates the speed at which each season can play, all the rest of the players have to wait for the slowest player. 
 If 59 people have to wait for you, and after a week decide that they need to get it started and begin without you, you cant expect them to start over when youre ready.  The unfair treatment here is that 59 people might have to wait while the schedule of the event is delayed.
 
 I'm sorry I didnt PM you earlier with a reminder to join your games.  I PMed you Friday after waiting a week, but then rseulow joined saturday before you saw it.  Please don't attack Gaditus with "I don't know if you have a job, but I have to do my job first and then play Amun-Re".  Gaditus has to do his job AND do all the organizational work to run three whole Amun Re leagues, which he kindly does for the benefit of all of us.  Without him these leagues wouldnt exist.
 
 I understand that its frustrating to be left out, but hopefully you'll understand why it was necessary for the league to continue.
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		| Knave 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Tzar-T wrote: |  	  | Sometimes I have work in places that doesn't have internett access. It's not my fault. | 
 
 Of course it is your fault.  Blaming Gaditus or anyone else is ludicrous.
 
 Feel free to join games and hold them up at random times, that is what a play by web site like this is for.  However, do not join a league and expect it to run on your timetable.
 
 
  	  | Quote: |  	  | I don't know if you have a job, but I have to do my job first and then play Amun-Re. | 
 
 I agree completely.  However, I can do my job and participate in these leagues.  Your job apparantly does not allow you to do this.  That is not a problem, you are still welcome to play games, but clearly a league is not for you.  I've been in games with you before, and you are quite slow in general, this is hardly a new situation.
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		| freduk 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Knave wrote: |  	  | Feel free to join games and hold them up at random times, that is what a play by web site like this is for. | 
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		| Tzar-T 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Alexfrog wrote: |  	  | Gaditus has to do his job AND do all the organizational work to run three whole Amun Re leagues, which he kindly does for the benefit of all of us. Without him these leagues wouldnt exist. | 
 
 Please don't misunderstand Alexfrog; I'm well aware of the tremendous job Gaditus is doing, and I appreciate it a great deal. I'm just trying to make a point out of the fact that sometimes work comes in the way for doing ones turns in the games within the preferred time schedule (to put i that way). And as I expect Gaditus to have a job, I was hoping for him to understand the problem.
 
 Now, I don't want to make a big deal out of this. It's just that I'm enjoying these tournaments a lot and it's frustrating and annoying to be left out since I've been in them since the start.
 
 
  	  | Knave wrote: |  	  | Your job apparantly does not allow you to do this. That is not a problem, you are still welcome to play games, but clearly a league is not for you. | 
 
 As you're might aware of Knave, it's usually possible to get internet access almost anywhere today. This means that I normally can check up on my games rather frequently. But a few weeks during a year I might have to go to places that are not up to the 2009 technological standards. Believe it or not, but such places actually exists. So do you really mean that based on one week during the year I shouldn't be in the league seasons? I beg to differ.
 
 So, I still mean that it's bad luck for me that the draw was ten days ago. I actually had the opportunity to do some moves the 21st, but I did not catch the draw. If it was just a couple of days before or after the 21st, I still could have joined this season. So I think it was harsh to exclude me from this season so fast.
 
 I realize that I just have to accept that it has to be this way, but I chose to complain about it since the margins has been against me this time.
 Hopefully I'll be in for the next draw as I'm auto enrolled.
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		| smlait 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Honestly, I don't see sitting out of one season as being a particularly harsh reaction to a player not joining their games in a prompt manner.  Consider it from Gaditus' perspective.  I'm assuming you didn't send him a PM warning him that you'd be out of town for a week or two and unable to join games.  So, he's in the position of having to make the tough call of how long to wait to give you a fair chance to join - while not holding up the rest of the league.  As someone who runs a different league, I can tell you that is a very unfun decision to have to make and it isn't fair to complain about the call he wound up having to make (which is basically an impossible call since no matter what you do, somebody's unhappy; he had no way of knowing you weren't gone for months - or even forever).  Presumably, you're back in next season so I don't see the problem. |  | 
	
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		| Gaditus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:14 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Thanks to Alexfrog, Knave and smlait for their comments on Tzar-T's post. 
 I haven't replied until now because I had to organise the 4 player draw (and decide whether to suspend players from that league).  I have to say that the decision to suspend players is the worst part of running these leagues.  However, now I have introduced a scoring system that allows players to sit out the odd season I feel less inclined to be lenient.
 
 I get the impression that of the 70/80 players most are happy with the timescales applied, a few wish it were faster (a vociferous few!) and a lower number feel that it is difficult to keep up.  I apologise to those in either of the unhappy camps.
 
 I have indicated the future start and finish times for the various leagues (see above) so that players can decide whether to sit out or not and can be ready for the draw.
 
 To Tzar-T, I would say that if you knew you would be away for 10 days within a six week league, you ought to have sat out the season anyway.  Perhaps it is better to consider yourself lucky that I asked for a substitute rather than suspended you at the end of the season for not completing the games.
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