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Kanga · Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Bug in tournament game

http://www.spielbyweb.com/game.php?games_id=33838

On the last action, Dobinator built a canal in spot 29, costing him 7 gold. He didn't have 7 gold - and reports that he had no intention of building there anyway, was just trying to see if it would work. It, as he points out, is not even close to his best move.

And of course just be make it more annoying, the move changes the result of the game.

So, is it possible for admin to reset the last move?

Dobinator · Joined: 18 Jul 07 Posts: 383 Location: North Carolina, USA

What Kanga says is true - see the messages on the game for a recap of my stupidity.

Gaditus · Joined: 05 Feb 07 Posts: 1924 Location: Canterbury, UK

Presumably as it is turn 11 it is not impossible to work out what the score would have been had had a legal move been made? (Probably best to do so before the final 'desertification' kicks in).

Then it is up to the organiser to decide how to go from there.

Payton3434 · Joined: 28 Dec 06 Posts: 690

I would say if its possible to figure out what the score would have been if the turn would have been done legally, I can take the scores down for the tournament

Payton3434 · Joined: 28 Dec 06 Posts: 690

looking at the score as it is now, If he takes Kanga bribe he wins and Gishe gets 2nd, if he takes either of the other 2 bribes Gishe will win with Kanga getting 2nd

Kanga · Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject:

It's a contentious area, adjusting scores (although less so in the case of a bug).

Santiago leads itself to serious kingmaking options. Dobinator in this game in effect chooses who wins (he finishes in a better position if he takes my bribe and lets me win, but there's nothing stopping him taking the other bribes if for some reason he doesn't want me to win).

But at least the bribes in this game are legitimate offers. Any player can offer an "illegitimate" - for want of a better word - bribe in the last round changing the result. Of course it's unethical to do so in normal circumstances, but in tournament play its quite possible to actually care who finishes ahead of you, as it may affect your final ranking. Are we obliged to play the games as individual games, or is it acceptable to take into account the current standings?

Kanga · Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject:

For what it's worth, I think we should be encouaraged / obliged (not quite sure how) to play the games individually, otherwise it opens up a HUGE can of worms. For example, I could stall on the last round in all my games so that I can see how other games finish before deciding who I try to make win / lose.

Or, you might have the scenario where 2 or 3 players are all trying to make different players win to suit themselves.

Either way, it makes a mockery of playing a 9 or 11 round game to have it all decided on a whim.

It's my pet hate about Santiago, espeically online. Face to face, we simply wouldn't allow it.

Payton3434 · Joined: 28 Dec 06 Posts: 690

I Agree, the best decision for him is to take your bribe so that he finishes in 3rd instead of 4th, This is the only way he can better his position in the tourney!!

Dobinator · Joined: 18 Jul 07 Posts: 383 Location: North Carolina, USA

Here's how I think the game should come out...

Kanga · Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject:

I wasn't suggesting that Dobinator might be interested in kingmaking, but more that he has the option of doing so.

If you've added up the scores correctly Dobinator then I could have offered more. I added them up so that with a bribe of 6, it would let me win by 1 gold. I obviously chose 6 to make it as likely as I could you would choose that field. Earlier in the game I'd have settled for 4 as you gain a lot from it too.

Payton3434 · Joined: 28 Dec 06 Posts: 690

Green Gray Black White
Dobinator Kanga gische Mercutio
Beans A1* 3x5=15 4x5=20
Peppers D1 2x1=2
Beans E1 2x1=2
Potatoes C2 2x7=14 3x7=21 7x7=49
Bananas E2 2x1=2
Peppers F2 2x1=2
Beans G2 2x1=2
Bananas H2 2x4=8 5x4=20
Cane D4 2x4=8 3x4=12
Peppers B5**
Cane C5*** 2x2=4 1x2=2
Bananas G5 2x1=2
Cane H5 2x1=2
Potatoes C6 3x1=3
Peppers E6 1*2=2
Cane G6****
Crops 44 55 53 36
Cash 10 12 13 9
Total 54 67 66 47

I checked the math and Dobinator had a few 2*1=1 - The Potatoes had 7 crops not 6 and e6 would go neutral

Kanga, Gishe, Dobinator, Mercuito

Please check this, if everyone agrees that will be the final standings in this game!

thank you

Jeff

Dobinator · Joined: 18 Jul 07 Posts: 383 Location: North Carolina, USA

Looks good to me. Sorry again for the trouble.

Kanga · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

That's what I got.

gische · Joined: 12 Oct 05 Posts: 186 Location: San Carlos, CA

I am too lazy to redo the math, so I will accept that. Nice game.

Payton3434 · Joined: 28 Dec 06 Posts: 690

ok, I will put that result for the tournament, you might as well finish it now

thank you

Jeff